You’ll never guess who believes that – Richard Dawkins. “Shut up!!!”, you’re thinking. No, it’s true! While few scientists currently agree with them on the question of whether a highly intelligent species and advance civilization are inevitable in evolution , famed Oxford evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist, Richard Dawkins, AGREES with Simon Conway Morris and Kenneth Miller (two ardent evolutionists who are also ardent Christians)! See quotes below (from 2010 but apparently little noticed). This is HUGE!
Genesis 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. (ESV)
The question to ask when viewing the “Bible and Ancient Science” talks by Denis O. Lamoureux DDS PhD PhD on his Web Lectures page and his other resources is,
“Is scientific concordism really a feature of the Bible?”
That is, did God’s revelation of inerrant messages of faith in the Bible include revelation of modern scientific facts and concepts thousands of years before being discovered with modern scientific instruments?
If Augustine, Luther and Calvin (quotes below) believed in an ancient phenomenologically-based ancient concept of a solid firmament in which the sun, moon and stars were fixed separating the waters (sea) above from the waters below, then how much more did Paul and the author(s) of Genesis?!?
St. Augustine (“Literal Meaning of Genesis”, 415 AD):
“They must certainly bear in mind that the term “firmament” does not compel us to imagine a stationary heaven: we may understand this name as give to indicate not that it is motionless but that it is solid Continue reading
Don’t Leave College Without It…
Want to make complete sense of Genesis in light of modern science/evolution? Look no further. Upon finishing all of Denis O. Lamoureux’s DDS PhD PhD free online multimedia episodes in this intriguing course, I had to keep wiping grateful tears from my face — it made SO much sense of it all. It explained SO many questions that had nagged me (and most other Christians) my whole life!
I actually had avoided Professor Lamoureux’s books and online content for years because I didn’t prefer his conclusions. But, now after hearing him out and seeing the evidence myself, I’m sold and how I wish I had looked there first!!!
An entire 3-credit college course, “CHRTC 350 – Science & Religion: An Introduction”, taught by renowned science/faith author, Professor Denis Lamoureux, DDS PhD PhD, is now available online. This is a highly polished course that Dr. Lamoureux has taught 61 times over 17 yrs.
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A Better Model for Intelligent Design (ID) Consistent with Both Scripture AND Modern Science in a New Talk by Professor Denis O. Lamoureux, DDS PhD PhD
Absolutely! I do! But, I must confess, it took me a full 2 yrs to get to used-to the idea, the idea that God chose evolution as His God-ordained and sustained creative tool, and be truly joyful about it. That was 3 &1/2 yrs ago after over 34 years formerly holding to a scientific creationist (YEC->OEC->ID-Theory) paradigm (stay-tuned for “My Story”). Now I’m an Evangelical Christian & an evolutionist and I do stand in awe of God’s glory when I see people and beauty & complexity in nature – now more than ever because, after going through Lamoureux’s Web Lectures (the place to start) and his online college course (free to view), I can now read Genesis without that “Does not compute” voice going off in my head and my faith makes sense in combination with an evolutionary paradigm!
Why 2 long yrs?
The FALSE creation vs. evolution dichotomy & anti-evolution sentiment I encountered most of my life as an Evangelical (since age 16) was so deeply ingrained in me;
I had nary a like-minded soul to talk to for 2 yrs until I found the ASA ( www.ASA3.org ) just over a year ago; and
I didn’t have this talk or Denis’ FREE online college course to help make sense of it all.
Here’s the talk – (be sure not to miss the 2nd half): INTELLIGENT DESIGN: DELUSION, UNCERTAINTY, OR DIVINE REVELATION? by Denis O. Lamoureux, DDS, PhD, PhD (63 minutes)
So, it comes down to observations of beauty & engineering in the book-of-nature providing sufficient (when combined with other reasons to believe) pointers to an ultimate Intelligent Designer such that we are without excuse before God in a Romans 1 & 2 sense, (esp. Ro 1:20), but those pointers do not rise to the level of proof or even truly testable scientific evidence, i.e., they must still be combined with faith. Professor Lamoureux calls the model described in the 2nd half ‘a’ model of ID that encompasses/describes all positions from Dawkins to the various Evangelical views. I see it is as a thoroughly biblical/scriptural manner that is also completely consistent with modern science – intriguing!
Combine this with the fine-tuning argument (see also the 7 minute Episode 86 in the Class Audio-Slides of Lamoureux’s online college course) and evidence for the INEVITABILITY of essentially humans in an evolutionary paradigm without the need for subsequent guidance springing from an initial Creative event and the ubiquitous evidence for convergence in evolution, a la Simon Conway Morris, and I think you have a very intellectually and theologically satisfying picture where God is not redundant in an evolutionary paradigm.
That’s my take. What’s yours? Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?